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First.
by j_ky2002
Dec 16th, 2007
06:53:06 AM
Time ever.
right...
by Soma Imp
Dec 16th, 2007
06:53:39 AM
what the hell is moriarty talking about?
Third of fourth?
by GeekyAnimeNerd79Beyotch
Dec 16th, 2007
06:57:06 AM
Zomg!
The trailer
by biffy88
Dec 16th, 2007
06:57:08 AM
I just want the theatrical trailer thats around on the internet so be the only trailer. I want to go into this film without seeing the best bits on the trailer
better quality
by ironic_name
Dec 16th, 2007
06:59:24 AM
good job yt'er.
This is about eight hours of old news, guys.
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:01:25 AM
This is about eight hours of old news, guys.
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:01:26 AM
Again, the lack of blatant CGI work is refreshing.
by Nosferatu Jones
Dec 16th, 2007
07:02:06 AM
Can barely understand a word in this clip, but it looks fantastic and I absolutely love the fact that there are no painfully obvious, big, crappy CGI scenes in these clips and trailers. Seems like Nolan is going out of his way to avoid anything like that cheesy subway train sequence from BEGINS. Good sign.
Ill wait for it
by harosa
Dec 16th, 2007
07:02:20 AM
I assume by the setup its the Imax footage? I'll wait til i catch it in Imax myself, why spoil one of the only reasons I'm seeing I am Legend at an Imax theatre for in the first place.
What the fuck does the headline have to do
by j_ky2002
Dec 16th, 2007
07:02:23 AM
with the fucking trailer? ANyone else confused, or just drunk like me?
Double, well, triple post
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:03:29 AM
Echoooooo! Anyway, there are all ready downloadable versions around.
j_ky2002, The headline is stupid
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:06:37 AM
It's just a better, cleaner version of the IMAX Prologue. It's been on SHH for almost half a day...of not longer. Trailer today at http://atasteforthetheatrical. com/
A little drunk
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:09:05 AM
Excuse the spelling. I got some Heinekens in me. BURP! This place needs an edit bitton for serious.
Feels like "Heat" meets Batman
by SID 8.0
Dec 16th, 2007
07:09:36 AM
Every little bit I see of this makes me want to see it more.
Heinekesn....
by j_ky2002
Dec 16th, 2007
07:10:17 AM
Are shit next to Bud Ice.
I think the headline
by Vesuvio
Dec 16th, 2007
07:10:27 AM
Is to avoid tracking by WB.
Vesuvio
by j_ky2002
Dec 16th, 2007
07:13:05 AM
Well, that makes sense.
holy tapdancing
by BobWalnut
Dec 16th, 2007
07:19:37 AM
mother of fuck.
If the headline is to avoid detection...
by loafroaster
Dec 16th, 2007
07:20:11 AM
...why the hell did they include the words 'joker', 'dark', and 'knight'? Kind of defies the purpose, guys...
Anyone Who's Seen This in the IMAX Theaters
by Playhouse
Dec 16th, 2007
07:21:36 AM
Can anyone who has seen this in an IMAX theater comment on the quality? We're obviously getting a distorted version caught at weird angles through vidcam phones or whatever. Is the sequence polished and "final cut" ready? It seems like it at points and then at other points it feels like it is still a working print. Can those that have seen this in person comment?
Heat + Point Break + Killer Klownz From Outer Space
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
07:24:24 AM
I'm diggin it. Nolan will deliver us the goods. :)
loafroaster
by ironic_name
Dec 16th, 2007
07:28:43 AM
the link at youtube has the name.

wb is scouting youtube, maybe aicn will get less wb checks.

Actually, its Night, not Knight
by Vesuvio
Dec 16th, 2007
07:32:39 AM
But I'll agree about using the word 'Joker'. They could use Jester or something else.. if WB is engaged in a search and destroy operation that's a word they'll be definitely looking for.
Well...
by Brendon
Dec 16th, 2007
07:33:52 AM
...the cop thriller elements are present and correct. I suspect this may turn out to be a lot more interesting than the last film - Bat Day Afternoon beats the American Idol winner of SuperHero films any day of the week.
Hey, is it Mickey really holding a gun up there?
by Vesuvio
Dec 16th, 2007
07:36:24 AM
While that blonde cartoon girl viciously checks out his genitals? What a fucked up world, my friends.
WHATEVER DOESN'T KILL YOU....
by Lashlarue
Dec 16th, 2007
07:37:20 AM
"Hey, where's the other guys?" :)
Vesuvio...
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
07:41:32 AM
... dude, if WB is engaged in a search and destroy operation, they will most likely check AICN and other spoiler sites anyway, so they would come across it here I am sure.
RE: Playhouse
by movieman742
Dec 16th, 2007
07:43:39 AM
I've seen it in Imax. I don't think it's that bad of quality. It is the finished print since this prologue will be playing in front of something on Imax until the release in June. It is way better than the trailer quality that is going around but I would still tell you to go to Imax to see it if you can. It's honestly unfuckingbelievable in that size and quality.
Download and keep it since it will disappear...
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:46:02 AM
...off YouTube
TheDesolateOne...
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
07:48:14 AM
... how do you download and keep a YouTube video?
Link
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:49:27 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ 170gww
That 70s Venom
by ironic_name
Dec 16th, 2007
07:50:29 AM
depends on your machine, just google download youtube video.
I just gave out a link. No work necessary
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:51:31 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ 170gww
same clown mask flaw in film already
by ThePilgrim
Dec 16th, 2007
07:55:14 AM
The clown that gets hit with the bus- his mask is used for another character- and whats worse that mask has the same debris shard hanging on the forhead. So it's not just the same style of mask- it's the same mask, but theres no way in hell that it's the same guy who gets hit with the bus. They need to fix that! Cause it's not supposed to be the same guy. Love this opener by the way!
Sweet thanks!
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
07:57:23 AM
Appreciate it Desolate
nope my bad it's just a strange cut- no flaw
by ThePilgrim
Dec 16th, 2007
07:57:27 AM
so much, so quick, so hard to follow!
That 70s Venom
by TheDesolateOne
Dec 16th, 2007
07:58:19 AM
Don't mention it.
ThePilgrim...
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
08:01:16 AM
... I'm sorry man I don't care how astute your eyesight is, that video is too poor of quality for you to sit there and nitpick the fuck out of it. Besides, even if you're right, I won't believe it until I see it in 1080P in Quicktime or in the theatre.
Yeah this was kinda fun.
by TomBodet
Dec 16th, 2007
08:02:27 AM
You gotta always like seeing William Fichtner doing his thing.
Michael Mann's Batman
by DURANGO66
Dec 16th, 2007
08:06:33 AM
NO!!! nothing like it stupid this is playing way on a different level!!! its above that michael mann wished his stuff looked this good
William Fichtner...
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
08:08:48 AM
... he was such a fucking pussy in HEAT, so it's refreshing to see him as a complete shotgun-toting badass in this clip. He's a damn good actor.
DURANGO66 why are you...
by That 70s Venom
Dec 16th, 2007
08:11:34 AM
... hating on Michael Mann? Dude, when we were drawing HEAT comparisons that was complimentary, not derisive. Michael Mann is a wonderfully talented director, and to compare him to Christopher Nolan is nothing short of flattering. So if that clip reminds us of HEAT, that's a GOOD thing. Have you ever seen HEAT, dude???
If Kamali is a bodybuilder...
by Bobo_Vision
Dec 16th, 2007
08:32:50 AM
...tell him to punch the back of that guy's huge head who is blcoking the bottom left of the screen.

Actually, I didn't watch this after the first 30 seconds. I am looking forward to this, so I want minimal spoilers, and will only watch the trailers.

Holy Badass Batman!!!
by RedRum1977
Dec 16th, 2007
08:35:58 AM
I am so really for this to hit!!
THAT'S how you shoot an action sequence
by ZoeFan
Dec 16th, 2007
08:36:59 AM
I almost multipled!!!!!
Watched it! Spoilers and all!
by Lashlarue
Dec 16th, 2007
08:42:05 AM
Reminds me of Michael Mann's HEAT, but with clowns!
by HarryBlackPotter
Dec 16th, 2007
08:43:55 AM
Excellent. Can't wait to see the other 115 minutes!
It's like visual crack!
by Lashlarue
Dec 16th, 2007
08:48:09 AM
So, does The Joker have the "war paint" inside the mask? Or does no one notice? The windows were tinted on the van. And no one seems to be close to him. What about Fitchner? Was he badass or what? And the head robber? "I'm sure the Joker told you to kill me." Awesome. Comparisons to Heat are righteously deserved. Can't wait for this one. You're kicking ass Nolan!
Damn, knocka!!!
by spiderinside
Dec 16th, 2007
08:54:02 AM
That was sweet. Those clowns are so effed looking. Ledger's creepy as hell. And Fichtner! Gotta love the Fichtner. If the rest of the movie is half that awesome, we've got a classic on our hands.
No look gunshot FTW
by I Dunno
Dec 16th, 2007
09:04:44 AM
Got to love the no-look gunshot.
I agree 100%-- MICHAEL MANN'S BATMAN!!!
by YackBacker
Dec 16th, 2007
09:06:28 AM
And awesome.
HEAT sucked.
by James Westfall
Dec 16th, 2007
09:13:51 AM
Dark Knight will suck worse.
James Westfall....
by judge dredds fresh undies
Dec 16th, 2007
09:20:42 AM
If god exists he will strike you down for such blasphemy.
Maybe it was the quality, but...
by Buckys_Kick_Ass_Arm
Dec 16th, 2007
09:26:07 AM
The content wasn't too impressive for me. Maybe cuz it was daytime and NOTHING in Batman films happens in the daytime... especially a fuckin' bank robbery. Joker's way?
downloaded it last night
by Turd Furgeson
Dec 16th, 2007
09:26:30 AM
and have watched it a number of times now. This movie is going to blow us away..
Fantastic...
by DanielKurland
Dec 16th, 2007
09:35:53 AM
Love how realistic it looks and really enjoyed Ledger's voice in the scene. It's so nice to actually see the voice and face together, and see them work in context.
Great bank robbery!
by Ashok0
Dec 16th, 2007
09:46:44 AM
Whoa that was like Ocean's Gotham. Very cool.
"where're the other guys?" BLAM!
by sith_rising
Dec 16th, 2007
09:50:13 AM
can't wait!
That's what I want to see...
by SkinJob69
Dec 16th, 2007
10:07:43 AM
A villian who actually does real evil on the screen. This certainly sets up the Joker as an intelligent, scheming, cold-blooded criminal threat. So many comic villians are portrayed as cute, costume-wearing, "dialogue-ing" wusses that one wonders if they are really dangerous at all. This footage leaves no doubt about Nolan's Joker- Kick Ass.
looks good
by christpunchers2007
Dec 16th, 2007
10:09:07 AM
as long the entire movie works like a cat & mouse game between the creative joker and an even more creative batman things will work fine. And please, less "Rachel" this time please. And I would really love to see them break the mold by having Batman in plain daylight, a crime can happen outside at any time, Batman shouldn't be confined by darkness, otherwise he's just a supercop with shifted hours.
WHERE'S THE BLOOD?????
by ludmir88
Dec 16th, 2007
10:12:13 AM
NO BLOOD? Not that dark anyway.
NICE THE UNDERCOVER HEADLINE. SO ILLEGAL SO SECRET!!!!
by ludmir88
Dec 16th, 2007
10:16:00 AM
AICN RULZ!!!! ONLY TODAY. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
King Kamali on aicn. theres something new
by messi
Dec 16th, 2007
10:17:06 AM
never thought i'd hear that before. he used to be a good bodybuilder.
Awesome camerawork, shitty forced exposition.
by Fish Tank
Dec 16th, 2007
10:19:53 AM
They're trying too hard with the exposition here, but the pan along the length of the bank is astounding. Pace is great too.
This was awesome at Imax
by shitstorm23
Dec 16th, 2007
10:29:02 AM
I could not pay attention to I am Legend, I was just too giddy after seeing that. Ledgers voice as the Joker sounds creepy, but not over done. All kinds of kick ass. Don't know how I'll manage waiting to get to see this.

I am Legend was actually pretty decent, but I guess I went in expecting complete shit. Good pacing, seemed like it was 30 minutes long. The CG "vampires" were awful though, after seeing the initial workups I can't believe they didn't just scrap it and get real people.

FANTASTIC
by nogimmick
Dec 16th, 2007
10:48:45 AM
good god, i can't wait to see this movie!
Actually has kind of a nice 70s/John Carpenter vibe
by kevred
Dec 16th, 2007
10:50:06 AM
There's something just a bit hammy & pulpy about the lines and the way they're delivered, which was kind of surprising. And that intersection of visual realism + blunt line delivery (and somewhat showy lines) reminds me, in a good way, of some of Carpenter's best early-to-mid-80s movies, or Dirty Harry flicks, or the like. I really enjoyed that quality of it.

Between the two clips we've seen here, this is starting to look like quite a good film--maybe even the most comfortable fusion yet between our reality and the comic book one.

I hope it's better than the last one. I like Nolan, Bale, Neeson, and the rest of the cast, but it bored me so much that I couldn't even finish it. And the origin sequences seemed like some other movie.

Looking at these new clips, I can now see Begins as just setting the tone and changing the expectations. I think the DC villain collection pales to that of Marvel, but this makes me think there is more good "re-imagining" material left for DC characters.

Oh yeah
by CuervoJones
Dec 16th, 2007
10:50:48 AM

One flaw
by Nuck81
Dec 16th, 2007
10:52:53 AM
He doesn't leave a Joker Card
Fantastic, so let the hating begin, perfect!
by Stormwatcher
Dec 16th, 2007
10:54:41 AM
Awesome, like Cloverfield, it was awesome!
Nothing really given away...
by seanny_d
Dec 16th, 2007
10:54:41 AM
It kinda reminds me of a 6-minute teaser in the same vein as the Spider-Man WTC teaser. Nice little introduction to how the Joker operates, but nothing really given away as to the overall structure of the story. The only real spoiler here is that the Joker kills people. And I don't think that's much of a spoiler at all.
Definitely informed by 70s film.
by Felix Buckman
Dec 16th, 2007
10:59:50 AM
Agreed, kevred. Go back and watch 'The Conversation' or 'French Connection,' and you can see how it influenced this film as well as 'Heat.' I love the efficiency of the storytelling -- how much context they provide in such a short amount of time, e.g., how Joker set up this heist, who they're hitting, how entrenched the mob is in Gotham, and so forth. Frankly, I'm stunned at how good it looks. This clip totally cements my opening day attendance.
Ok can this be clarified for me once and for all.....
by DirkD13"
Dec 16th, 2007
11:00:51 AM
Is this sequence a prologue to the main feature (like Hotel Chevalier was to The Darjeeling Ltd), or the first 6 minutes of the actual feature? I've heard different reports from various people and need some clarification, thanks gents and ladies.
Intense.... Wow!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
Dec 16th, 2007
11:01:39 AM
A psychopathic Joker, that's EXACTLY what I want to see.
Nuck81, the dead dudes with Joker masks are the cards
by YackBacker
Dec 16th, 2007
11:02:03 AM
See? Why so serious?
wheres the joker card??
by BurgerKing
Dec 16th, 2007
11:07:23 AM
NUCK is right, he didnt leave a joker card
Kane & Lynch Anyone?
by aceattorney
Dec 16th, 2007
11:07:46 AM
The video game, Kane & Lynch has a multiplayer mode called Fragile Alliance - you play bank robbers with incentive to kill each other for a bigger slice of the pie.
The Penguin should be
by Herald_o_Galactus
Dec 16th, 2007
11:26:24 AM
Paul Giamatti... too bad he did something like this in Shoot Em Up. Maybe Ray Winstone in an 'emperor penguin' role from abroad, as a big intimidating heavy who is smarter than he looks. This was so awesome.
Nuck81
by christpunchers2007
Dec 16th, 2007
11:27:59 AM
Maybe he did, we might see it in a later scene when the cops sweep the place.
At last a REAL CRIMINAL
by garofellatio
Dec 16th, 2007
11:32:01 AM
FINALLY a villain in a comic book movie who actually commits crimes to get rich. Most villians in comic book movies eith destroy things at no profit to themselves or, if they commit actual for-profit crimes, it's to finance some particular goal. At last, the greatest criminal in comics gets to be an actual crimial onscreen!
Y'know William Fichtner coulda been the joker!
by Raymar
Dec 16th, 2007
11:36:10 AM
He is already all types of crazy in Prison Break.
garofellatio
by WolfmanNards
Dec 16th, 2007
11:41:24 AM
The only reason Joker would ever rob a bank as such would be to have money to perpetrate a scheme of his. Joker only commits crimes because he thinks they are funny. That's what's unique, and frightening about the character. He doesn't care about being rich, or having power, he only seeks those factors to have the ability to commit grand violent schemes just for the sake of his own morbid sense of humor.
This will be better than Batman Begins.
by zodiac1012
Dec 16th, 2007
11:51:40 AM
Can't wait.
"Give him his pants, or this'll happen to you!"
by Dickless
Dec 16th, 2007
11:54:13 AM
I liked this clip a lot and can't wait to see the rest of the movie, but it completely reminded me of this Kids in the Hall sketch: http://vids.myspace.com/index. cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual &VideoID=480055
Giant web
by Thunderbolt Ross
Dec 16th, 2007
11:55:18 AM
Why did they skip the part where the school bus ends up in a giant spider web at the end?
Kids in the Hall sketch
by Dickless
Dec 16th, 2007
12:01:46 PM
http://vidsearch.myspace.com/i ndex.cfm?fuseaction=vids.indiv idual&videoid=480055
I don't know what it is about
by Dr.Poots
Dec 16th, 2007
12:12:05 PM
rubber clown masks that turn me on, but they just do. Oh, like you people don't have fetishes?
Nosferatu Jones
by jfp2007
Dec 16th, 2007
12:25:27 PM
That big cheesy subway scene from Begins wasn't done in CG. It was done using huge models (including the entire crash sequence) with subtle CG enhancement via Batman jumping out of it and the monorail tracks themselves; however a lot of the stuff with Bats hanging down from the cars was also real.
Well, spank my ass and call me Charlie!
by uss cygnus
Dec 16th, 2007
12:31:02 PM
A realistic joker! You have my attention.
He did leave a card...
by jfp2007
Dec 16th, 2007
12:31:36 PM
..that was Joker venom or whatever you want to call it that was coming out of that tube in the bank manager's mouth. He will nice and smiley when we see him again. Who's to say he didn't leave a card and we'll see them pick it up later. Also, you can't really tell from this craptacular clip, but the bus side ways District 22 which probably has something to do with Harvey Dent and Joker's "it's all part of the plan" vendetta against him (based on the online viral campaign plus the verbal audio clues on those 10000 viral websites they have going for this movie).
Batman?
by MC-909
Dec 16th, 2007
12:36:48 PM
There's a new Batman movie coming out? Who's in it?
Anyone else think the trailer will officially premier at 8pm?
by Reynard Muldrake
Dec 16th, 2007
12:55:49 PM
at atasteforthetheatrical.com?
Wolfman Nards
by garofellatio
Dec 16th, 2007
01:10:14 PM
Oh, I know, you're absolutely right, I just meant that, I got tired of super criminals in comic book movies who just destroyed things. I dunno how things are now, but when I read comics, the villains (including the Joker) didn't have day jobs and they stole stuff and robbed banks, you know, to make money. But yeah to the Joker the money itself certainly would be a much smaller concern than raising hell and amusing himself. I guess therefore it's ironic that the first real "villain robs a bank" scebe in a comic book movie would feature The Joker. (I don't count Doc Ock in SM2 because he specifically was going to use the money to rebuild his thingamajig. Still not right... uhh... I'm tired of bad guys being good guys gone bad.
looks great, but the "why do they call him the joker" line shoul
by Mr. Waturi
Dec 16th, 2007
01:10:53 PM
"wear's makeup to scare people"-clunky, unnecessary exposition. otherwise, very cool.
anyone complaining about the subway scene
by Happy Boy
Dec 16th, 2007
01:13:49 PM
is sheep with no will of his own
MC-909
by Mike_D
Dec 16th, 2007
01:15:19 PM
George Cloony.
8 and 28 diemembered
by kudos_eb
Dec 16th, 2007
01:17:06 PM
i bet the trailer will be online at 8:28 tonight
FUCK Val & Tim
by johnyaztec
Dec 16th, 2007
01:17:54 PM
This Batman makes Val and Burtons Batman look like a bunch of pussy's. All other to think diffrent can suck cock willingly.
Black Batman?
by johnyaztec
Dec 16th, 2007
01:20:46 PM
I'm waiting for a Black Batman, due because America is racist it will never happen.
Damn, I hate when they show this stuff this early
by Mr Incredible
Dec 16th, 2007
01:25:15 PM
Looked good, though. The movie won't be out until JULY. They've already screwed the pooch on keeping The Joker's appearance secret. I hope he has more surprises in the movie like a damn deck of metal throwing cards. Think I'm kidding? Go to www.bladeplay.com.
Awesome!
by Der-Rabe
Dec 16th, 2007
01:26:53 PM
Simply Awesome!
"Exposition The Joker Exposition"
by Mrs. Harry Knowles
Dec 16th, 2007
01:31:33 PM
The trailer: 2:40 EST?
DirkD13
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
01:34:12 PM
There's little doubt this is actually the first minutes of the movie. They wouldn't film something like that and NOT include it.
Re: BATMAN BEGINS subway chase.
by Nosferatu Jones
Dec 16th, 2007
01:35:30 PM
To clarify: I didn't mean to suggest the entire thing was CGI (it obviously wasn't), but there WERE a few CGI shots that made the subway and tracks look like something out a rollercoaster video game. They stood out like a sore thumb.
I've seen enough
by Hoots Mon
Dec 16th, 2007
01:36:09 PM
That was awesome, but job done now guys. No more trailers, websites or posters until the film opens.
Black Batman...
by Der-Rabe
Dec 16th, 2007
01:37:08 PM
I myself am waiting for a black Paris Hilton but that will never happen either.
Looked damn good.
by TattooedBillionaire
Dec 16th, 2007
01:45:34 PM
The next few months will be tough waiting for both Indy and Batman. I know the waits will both be worth it, though!
I've Been Wrong Before
by Mrs. Harry Knowles
Dec 16th, 2007
01:45:35 PM
:(
That 70's Joker
by kafka07
Dec 16th, 2007
01:45:37 PM
Definitely has a 70's vibe. And love the way they portray him not only as theatrical, and psychopathic/homocidal, but also a cunning criminal mind. Batsy will have to become more of a detective in this one. Hopefully they'll release an official version of this online soon. Ain't no IMAX theater near me that I can see this on, sadly.
70's Venom I completely agree
by DURANGO66
Dec 16th, 2007
01:46:37 PM
Michael Mann is a master of his craft, I own 3 versions of HEAT. It is one of those movies I can never get tired of watching, However sitting before the IMAX screen and seeing those 6-7 minutes of TDK blew away anything I had seen before It blew my mind!!!! and I am %100 faithful on this movie!!!!
Well shot, but lacks atmosphere
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
01:53:34 PM
The trailer on the other hand was loaded with atmosphere. Hmmm. I'll wait to judge.
w-o-w man thats intense. bat-heat. movie of the year.
by pipergates
Dec 16th, 2007
02:06:06 PM
nolan's the man, give im an oscar already.
crow vibe
by mrjoshua6272
Dec 16th, 2007
02:10:57 PM
i thought the look of the trailer had a bit of a the crow vibe to it
on imax
by ballsxcrew
Dec 16th, 2007
02:19:08 PM
so much better on imax. the shot where they zipline off the roof and you get a glimpse of the streets below gave you the dropping sensation whilst in an imax theatre. so amazing. really though, if youre thinking about going to see i am legend purely to see this clip, please wait. i am legend was the biggest christian propaganda movie ive ever seen. and it didnt even present itself that way. damn tricky bastards trying to bring us over to the dark side by messing with our emotions!
There was a black Batman
by Varakor
Dec 16th, 2007
02:21:23 PM
It was one of those one shots that Stan lee did on his interpretation of the DC characters. He kinda looked like Man bat in his costume and to me the book was kinda corny.
why so serious?
by mrjoshua6272
Dec 16th, 2007
02:26:13 PM
can anyone makeout who he is saying it too?
Agreed on the dialogue kevred
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
02:29:28 PM
I liked how it was sort of pulpy, but purposefully so and used to good effect. Stands in contrast to Goyers dour and overly obvious Begins script, thank God.
New Joker poster
by Crestfallen
Dec 16th, 2007
02:36:02 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3e5adw
Meh
by Thylacine
Dec 16th, 2007
02:38:42 PM
Burton's Batman films are still the benchmark for me- dents (no pun intended) and all. I just can't stand this "realistic" approach to a guy who dresses up as a bat. All the exposition and dull attempts to fold in political thriller or heist style film making only make more clear the faults of these films. With no sense of wonder, intrigue or even spectacle- they become rip-offs of better written films- only with weirdly dressed characters who feel the need to explain every action they commit. I for one am not looking forward to a batman film with a "realistic" anything. What's the point?
Something about that didn't flow right
by chaseguy17
Dec 16th, 2007
02:40:58 PM
Obviously there is going to be bias because it's a videocamera recording, and the sound was muffled. It also could be a rough cut. it just seemed like they didn't get the message across as clearly, for someone in the general audience to fully understand what was going on. It was just too quick. If I hadn't read up on it, I wouldn't really found the scene very compelling. They should have had a longer conversation with one of the goons, talking about how he got recruited...and then maybe some fear in his voice explaining..."he told me to kill so and so when he finished his job". The thug conversations in that cut...just seemed rather sloppy...and probably confusing. I didn't like how it flowed. Maybe i'm just weird.
And before you people jump all over Thylacine
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
02:41:18 PM
No he is not advocating a Joel Schumacher cheese filled cartoon. He advocating something with a little more life in it than what Nolan imbued. Something just a bit outside of our world, considering that Batman couldn't exist here and Batman Begins, despite what people like to think, didn't further the cause that he could.
Thylacine is absolutely right...
by hypnotron
Dec 16th, 2007
02:49:25 PM
Chris Nolan's attempts to make Batman seem like a realistic possibility make these new movies in many ways far sillier than those that have come before it. Batman is a silly idea, there is nothing profound about it, its just about a weird rich guy who gets dressed up in a Batsuit and fights other weirdos in costumes. The killing joke is about the most honest Batman comic because at least it deals with this issue...Batman Begins took itself so seriously it is pretty much laughable 'unless they have a microwave emitter powerful enough to evaporate Gotham's water supply'....I mean come on, thats not much more credible than the Anti-shark spray from the 60's film! Both are equally ridiculous, just one of them has a $200,000,000 budget! So this will have great stunts and effects, but so what, lots of films have that. But I guess the Freudian weirdness of Batman is a big draw for a lot of rabid geeks who don't see it as such!
First!
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
02:55:39 PM
that clip was pretty sexy; the only part i didnt like was the dude toting the shotgun, didnt really seem to fit. And yes, you are weird chaseguy17
I find
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
02:58:45 PM
all of the batmans to be abstract from realism; its a theatric experience, this new batman has appeal to me because it seems grittier than the others and more entertaining than begins (snorefest). Not because of how realistic a bus going into a bank seems to be.
Wow, AICN Posted This?
by Saluki
Dec 16th, 2007
03:06:12 PM
This bootleg isn't honestly good enough to show as a news story. You don't even see the row of buses that the Joker escapes into at the end. See it in IMAX people. Trust me.
Yeah, I see M.Mann and shades of Blade Runner too.
by DoctorWho?
Dec 16th, 2007
03:06:19 PM
Good stuff. And FishTank is right, the dialog seemed a little forced on first viewing. Still, I love it.
oh
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
03:12:37 PM
ok,lol.
Realism and Batman (re: Thylacine, IndustryKiller, hypnotron)
by Crestfallen
Dec 16th, 2007
03:16:55 PM
The (re)depictions of the Batman mythos necessarily requires fantasy elements; certainly Batman could not exist in the real, modern world. Nolan's first foray muted many of the explicit fantasy elements (Ra's Al Ghul's immortality; the gothic, ethereal atmosphere, etc.) but not entirely.

Most films and fictional characters require some suspension of disbelief; even Jason Bourne, despite the gritty "realism" of those films is ultimately implausible in reality.

It's a modern notion that fantasy must have some imbued with some realism in order for it to resonate with viewers. This may be nothing more than believable characters who respond in plausible ways to their atypical, fantasy situations.

Batman has always been one of the more "realistic" of superheroes, with little scifi or supernatural/paranormal elements. His motivation is clear and makes sense within its own narrative. Nolan respects the Batman mythos; in no way is the material taken lightly. It is played straight. Whereas, "Batman and Robin" seems created as a self-parody, inherently mocking the very story and characters it purports to tell.

Schumacher drifted towards the campy elements of Batman where Nolan has taken the recent serious presentation and gritty realism of the comics which place Batman in a society and world view much like our own. I personal prefer Nolan's take, so far, to that of Burton and most definitely Schumacher.

I'll bite.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Dec 16th, 2007
03:18:30 PM
"Batman" is a silly idea. So is every other guy/gal who dresses up in a costume to fight crime or is born with a mutant "superpower".

However, the fact that BATMAN BEGINS portrayed a legendary comic book character in a more realistic manner does not make these films "far sillier". In fact, quite the opposite. It's the realism that makes one feel that real consequences are at stake.

Nolan managed to make a film about a "silly idea" that wasn't silly. He crafted an intelligent and emotionally involving story that didn't make (a lot of) people feel stupid about watching another goofball superhero movie. In the process, he overcame the god-awful taste left by the Goth-camp franchise that proceeded him. So, I'd say that most folks are looking forward to what TDK has in store because of this approach.

hehe
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:18:42 PM
people are writing essays in a talkback
Batman Begins = Terrible Movie
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:20:14 PM
I don't see how anyone got into this movie. Everything about it was undeniably bad. I just can't help but think that this is not going to be any better. Everyone is so used to eating turds now that when they are given piss to drink to wash it down, they think it's lemonade. Shame on you for doing this to the rest of us.
Actually...
by Tourist
Dec 16th, 2007
03:22:37 PM
...Begins was the first and so far only Superhero film that worked for me. I don't believe they took it in a more realistic direction either, they just treated it like a worthy film concept. They put time and attention into the development of the characters and stories and created a world, that although closer to ours than those of the gaudy stage looking Burton flicks, was not in anyway realistic, but perfectly supportive of the character. Without having to resort to stupidity to justify it. I think Begins worked perfectly at making people like me, who detest comic book superheroes, actually get interested in one. Understandably fans probally don't agree, since they like their favourite characters to look retarded.
i got into
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
03:23:13 PM
the scarecrow, he was bad ass, fo sho. the rest of the movie...not so much. maybe i have a man crush on cillian murphy?
i think it's less about realism than it is about
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:25:23 PM
genuine drama as opposed to campiness/aburdity/comicalness . after all, a guy can't just become a ninja and a superhero no matter how rich he were. but if there is seriousness of an internal logic, character development and careful emotional consideration, then the story told will be deep and interesting
"Why so suck?"
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:25:41 PM
Thanks to a little friend named Keepvid.com
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
03:26:12 PM
I'll be having access to this sweet little number long after WB catches wind of it.
"Why so stupid?
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:27:49 PM
Lord Nerd
by zodiac1012
Dec 16th, 2007
03:28:17 PM
Batman Begins is the best superhero film ever.
if someone thinks batman begins is terrible
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:28:18 PM
that must effectively mean that the only movie in the history of cinema that isn't terrible is citizen kane or something. because begins is pretty much as good as you're going to get short of having orson welles be in a movie
"Why so shitty?"
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:28:33 PM
"Why so silly"?
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:29:25 PM
On the other hand...
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
03:29:31 PM
Are you starting to get a little suspicious? Thursday, the new trailer unofficially hits online, lasts 2 hours, then it gets pulled and WB's all like, "ah, if you liked that, then you'll LOVE it in Quiktime on Sunday." And now it's Sunday, and not only is the one getting it's official (re)release, but MORE pirated footage hits?

They've been leaning on the power of viral advertising hard on this one. I'm starting to think all this pirated trailer shit ain't a coincidence...
The "attention" paid to teh characters in Begins
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
03:30:02 PM
certainly didn't extend to the villains of The Scarecrow and Ras Al Ghul, who were treated as little more than window dressing. It also didn't extend that far into Bruce Wayne. There was nothing in the Begins origin story about Bruce Waynes character that one couldn't have easily devised on their own given the circumstances. The fact that He'll never get over his parents death and uses Batman as a symbol of justice are not anywhere near fresh ideas int he Batman lore. It basically spent an hour stating teh obvious and showing us a piss poor training sequence that couldn't in a million years resulted in Bruce Wayne becoming the greatest human fighter on the planet Earth, which he is supposed to be. It also neutered the fact that Bruce Wayne is also one of the most brilliant minds humanity has to offer.
"Why so shoddy?"
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:31:08 PM
Lord Nerd, recommend a movie, then.
by MrSandwich
Dec 16th, 2007
03:32:28 PM
What out there is worth your attention?
Tourist you said it all champ
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
03:33:20 PM
It works for people who detest "retarded" superheroes....except the ones who dress up like a bat.....and drive impossibly nimble megavehicles through downtown and never get caught despite the fact that we have something this day and age called helicopters, and anyone who works at the company who built the machine would have recognized it. And the ones with villains who turn the water supply into a LAKE OF POISON GAS!!!! Oh my! Yup, I bet all that realism worked for you Tourist.
I like how when...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:34:38 PM
..Bruce Lame got all Ninjafied in 30 minutes, kicked all of the ninja's asses wrecked the entire GI Joe ninja compound fell tumbling down the side of Mount Fuji....then he brushes himself off and grabs a plane back to office. Great Fucking Movie...I see everyones point on this.
I liked BAD BOYS TWO
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
03:35:58 PM
Batman begins would have pwned if it was done by Micheal Bay! Flame On!
Recomend a movie?
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:37:26 PM
Hmmmm. Let's see.....Ummm. Since you liked Batman Returns how bout I suggest "Battle Beyond the Stars".
the attention paid to the characters was effective
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:40:10 PM
you don't need every single thing to be spelled out. you intuit how exceptional or absolute characters are or need to be. drama is about empathizing or sympathizing with archetypes and the certain subtleties pertaining to the specific characters in the movie. if you needed a lot more character details to show you exactly why everything is how it is, hamlet wouldn't be as well regarded as it is
Exactly noiretblanc
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
03:42:02 PM
Which is exactly why the drawn out origin story was pointless. It told you nothing new about Bruce Waynes character, nor did it work as an effective transformation into the greatest fighter and one of the most brilliant minds on Earth. It was wasted time.
the batmobile is characterized as having technology beyond
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:44:01 PM
what anybody else has including the police. of course it's going to evade them. and the thing about the company not knowing is because fox is covering for bruce in a unspoken understanding. he could easily mislead the only other person that would know about the batmobile
shakespeare
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
03:44:49 PM
is so fuggin ovverrated, he catered to the peasants of his time; his work is mediocre! jawohl mein fuhrer!
thing is, that's what the story was about
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:45:50 PM
batman beginning, not batman's other day at the office
overrated*
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
03:45:54 PM
edit function? whats that?
shakespeare isn't the greatest thing in the world
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:47:14 PM
but, his plays get at some interesting philosophical ideas just like any other competent art
I also like how...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:47:30 PM
...everyone tries to sound so intelligent when trying to identify with a comic hero movie. hahaha
this is probably going to be something..
by seekshelter
Dec 16th, 2007
03:47:45 PM
like that spiderman bank robbery trailer.. that wasn't actually in the movie..but gave you a little something to check out.
"Why so Shakespeare?"
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
03:48:37 PM
Oh please Noiret
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
03:49:10 PM
Stop apologizing. Let's hypothetically say it could outrun the police on the ground, to say nothing about a fucking car driving on rooftops, they would have a fleet of air support following this thing. Which the vehicle could absolutely not outrun. As for Fox covering up for Wayne, dude Waynetech would have spent millions upon millions constructing a vehicle like that, there would be tons of engineers working on the technology to make it happen as well as corporate suits checking in on where the progress is on this thing they are investing so heavily in, not to mention the governments whose militaries would be interested in purchasing it and the people who originally rejected the design. There would have been tens if not hundreds of people with intimate knowledge on the Batmobile.
comic hero's
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:49:58 PM
are today's archetypal heroes, like the old stories of beowulf, king arthur, etc etc
Had a very Pelham vibe to me...
by Sledge Hammer
Dec 16th, 2007
03:50:43 PM
Very cool, and Ledger's voice worked for me better in this sequence than it did in the teaser. Really looking forward to this.
lol, industry killer
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
03:55:05 PM
delving into the economic mechanizations of a sociopath in a miniature tank. thats great. the end of batman begins licked balls, imho, omgz the water vaporizer is going to have everybody huffing agent orange, and ichabod crane over there is nigh unstoppable. no im not trying to make a point, its just funny to me.
someone get industrykiller into a director's chair...he obviousl
by carrotjuice
Dec 16th, 2007
03:55:24 PM
i'll stop "apologizing" as soon as you stop "antogonizing"
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
03:56:03 PM
as far as we know, that stuff you're talking about can inevitably happen. but, for as much time as begins covered, everyone is taken by surprise. we also don't know if anybody thinks it doesn't exist anymore. we're led to believe that because fox says his department is pretty much next to obsolete. by the time fox is made head of the company, thinks could still be kept under wraps and at that time, he would make sure he'd mislead anyone.
Begins is the best superhero film
by odo19
Dec 16th, 2007
03:57:04 PM
Thats right, you haters make me fucking sick.
What the hell are you tb's talking about?
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
03:59:46 PM
Shakespeare, Bad Boys 2, Battle Beyond the Stars, Orson Welles. Let me add to the discussion by giving my take on The Vagina Monologues. WTF?
believe it or not, begins has fundamental similarities
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
04:01:29 PM
to hamlet
the vagina monologues
by Zozma
Dec 16th, 2007
04:01:37 PM
what a cunningly deceptive title that was. almost as sneaky as the pos primeval
IndustyKiller! I gotta disagree with your take here
by YackBacker
Dec 16th, 2007
04:04:36 PM
You're one of the most reasonable TBers around, so I do take what you're saying seriously. That being said, I think you're coming at BEGINS with some very specific expectations that make it impossible for that movie (or any Batman movie) to meet that criteria.

I saw Bruce Wayne's origin in BEGINS as the best version of that story ever told on film. I groaned at first when I thought "oh shit, ANOTHER Bruce Wayne origin sequence!" but Bruce Wayne couldn't have become Batman without Ra's Al Ghul's help (and without his explicit rejection of Ra's warped sense of justice). I thought there was a lot of thought put into Bruce's "choice" of becoming a vigilante. And I think was a lot of new elements to Wayne's journey towards becoming Batman. This wasn't the paint-by-numbers story of Wayne losing his parents, hitting the gym and starting to dress up as a bat. Wayne made shitty choices in BEGINS. He pushed away his loved ones. He dropped out of school. He hated his family's name. He became primal. And it wasn't until Ra's "saved" him that Bruce started to move in the right direction. But like what I alluded to above, there is a very fine line between what Batman does and what Ra's was trying to do-- and I have never seen a more adult take on that matter than what BEGINS offered. The realism is not only based in the aesthetic design in that movie, but also in the way in which characters behaved. Alfred chiding Bruce for being a "thrill-seeker" was pitch-perfect. Bruce accepting that he can't be with Rachael is another poignant moment (but Katie Holmes sucked the life out of that role). I think I said this to a friend after seeing BEGINS-- Bruce Wayne was more interesting to watch than the man in the Batsuit. If anything, I thought Batman was a distraction from the story- Bruce's story. Is BEGINS a perfect movie? Not at all. But it achieved so much and I think it is a proper take on this well-trodden myth.

Logic is "antagonizing"?
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
04:06:46 PM
I'm just stating the obvious Noiret. It doesn't matter if it's obsolete, the company still spent millions on it and people still spent a chunk of their lives constructing it and overseeing it. There are plenty of concept cars that never see the light of day but if someone went mowing people down in one the company would know exactly where the fuck it came from.
Can I make anymore suggestions for anyone?
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:07:23 PM
ahahah.How about...ummm....Ernest Saves Christmas? You Batman Beginers might like this most excellent title.
Camus can do, but Sarte' is smarte'.
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
04:10:02 PM
The post modern philosophy of Derrida has little relevance when compared to our geopolitical global reality. Further more, genitalia is little more than a symbolic metaphor for our individual fears of extinction. That said, televised programs that glamorize sex and violence only add to this current state of cultural apathy. We should pet more dogs, and spend time laughing with children. At the end of days it will be the hedonists and drunkards that will save our pathetic skins.
"Why so Sarte?"
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:11:51 PM
Indubitable standards must prevail
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
04:18:01 PM
Throw your swords into the river my sweetlings and dance naked on the roof of the world. "Boobs" is a common refrain for jealousy.
Ok Yack, on a metaphorical level I can see where
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
04:18:25 PM
you are coming from. Some of the themes it's working with are present, although Goyer drills the theme of fear into your head far too much. And I really should say before I go on that I'm harsh, but I don't think it's a horrible movie without any merit. But I think on an execution level maybe they tried to fit so much in that it becomes a master of none of it. The origin story is the best ever put to screen, it's also the only one ever put to the big screen. I think as far as smaller stories of young Bruce Wayne go the few episodes of the animated series in which it shows Wayne training with his former master are the best around. But in the film the actual training of Bruce Wayne is present but rushed, I would rather have it implied and fill in my own blanks than have a montage that looks like it took place over about a month of time and doesn't even come close to delving deep enough into the mechanics of how Bruce Wayne became the single greatest fighter of crime in the world. It's very very uneven. You speak a lot of Ras Al Ghul, I felt the character was done no justice in Begins. He exists solely as a platform for Bruce Wayne to leap from into Batman rather as a character with nuance of his own and one of the greatest villains in Batman's cache. Same goes for The Scarecrow. There is a reason why Spider Man and Batman are maybe the two greatest traditional superheroes, and a large part of that is their amazing rogues gallery. If you waste the villains, you waste a big part of the hero. There is a reason after all that whenever the Joker shows up in Batman's life he becomes the focal point of the story, and that is because he may in fact be more interesting than Batman himself. But that's up for debate.
the word logic doesn't mean the most correct way of analysis
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
04:19:47 PM
it just means weighing causes and effects. the point is, we don't know who still knows about it, who can talk about it, who will recognize it and do anything with that recognition. the batmobile sequences happened toward the end when fox was just about being appointed as the new director, so at least the other guy couldn't get involved in any investigation. everything happens too suddenly for anyone to pick up on what it is. you know, all this could be investigated in the dark knight. the police is characterized as being completely incompetent which is why batman needs to exist. so, who's to say they wouldn't indeed look into it but in a very slow manner, meanwhile, if the company is asked anything, fox could just as easily make it seem like the company had sold it off to some obscure rich guy in thailand or something a long time ago or had it stolen like the microwave emitter. what we all need to realize is that this story is not realistic, it uses logic to move the characters through, but at the end of the day, it's a sensational story of a contemporary legend
Indubitable standards MUST prevail...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:21:23 PM
..which is why noone should go see these steam pile. "Throw your money into the river my faglings and dance naked on the roof of the theatre. "Sense" is a commone refrain for jealousy.
Thanks...
by HExTeXly
Dec 16th, 2007
04:25:14 PM
...Now I don't have to go and see that steaming pile aka "I Am Legend" this weekend. What there was, was good. I like the casting, the pacing, the confusion, and the pay off. Brilliant. Now all we need is another two hours like this...and we're good.
Indubitably
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
04:30:04 PM
Profound nuance bewilders common man.
Did anyone hear about Will Ferrel being The Riddler?
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
04:31:00 PM
Oh boy, the part of college with no practical value
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Dec 16th, 2007
04:31:15 PM
When's the damn trailer coming?
Noiretblanc you are making up totally...
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
04:32:02 PM
absurd things that conveniently allow Bruce Wayne to get away with it through a series of coincidences. I'm presenting the inner workings of every corporation in the world. Once is more logical than the other here. The point you haven't attempted to contend is the strongest point, and that is that hundreds of people int eh past would have seen this thing, that is just factually the way it would have gone down. Someone would recognize it considering there isn't another tank car with a rocket engine around. Also the cops would have had helicopters chasing him, which is standard procedure for any high speed chase. but then again I suppose I can't win because you will come up with some imaginary budget cuts in the police force that unfortunately made it a necessity to sell all their helicopters to Metropolis.
Will Ferrel = Riddler? FUCK NOOOOOOO!
by GQtaste
Dec 16th, 2007
04:33:24 PM
That has to be the worst fucking idea i've ever encountered on this site ever! And that's saying something.
Huh?
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:34:29 PM
I don't get it. ahhaha
This is the most overly wordy and weird TB yet
by Yeti
Dec 16th, 2007
04:36:55 PM
Kudos you ninnies. Makes me look almost lucid.
You guys...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:38:08 PM
...are boring and nerdy. I'm going over to the "Superman is Stronger than the Hulk" talkbacks. Fuck this shitty shit. **hits refresh button to see if anyone has replied to me, then heads on over to the SISTTH talkbacks**
but that's exactly what we're supposed to do!
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
04:38:29 PM
get the effect of the movie's internal logic and drama! are we supposed to test the idea of what happens in our actual world and then dismiss the idea of batman all together because a batman or a spiderman can't exist in our real world? you can't win because there isn't anything to win about it. you either feel the drama that's being conveyed or you don't. although, basically, what you're insinuating is that something like what happened on 9/11 couldn't happen because everyone is on top of everything and will do something about things effectively at the drop of a pin
the thing with the internet...
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
04:42:05 PM
is that it polarizes views. Begins is far from a bad movie. But it's not a perfect Batman movie sent down from heaven either. It's pretentious, but not nearly as pretentious as the Spider-man sequels are. (Raimi, if all you wanted to make were a couple of movies about a shy, socially awkward nerd who inspite of himself manages to date a Grade-7 girl, you should have just made that, instead of making those movies and trying to convince me they were Spider-man movies.)

Like it or not, you kind of have to think that the Batman franchise is using the "auter" approach. I know that's not what anyone intended, but that's just what's happened. If you want a perfectly made iconic, definitive Batman, that's the 92-97 cartoons. With the Batman films, you just have to know that every 2 or so they bring in a new director who's going to do a wildly different take on the character. None of the Batman films will be definitive and hit every fan's G-spot, but they don't have to be. Each interpretation has brought us something of value, and added to the overall fabric of the Batman myth.

For the sake of Geek Cred, my favorite Modern Superhero movies are X-men 1 and 2, followed By Begins. Then Spider-man 1, then X-men 3, then Spider-man 3, then Spider-man 2, and so on in that fashion...
My life just called.
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:43:16 PM
It wants me back.
That's why i'm in LA testricals
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
04:44:54 PM
Maybe not to do EXACTLY that, but you know....
Greenstyle pretty much just settled this
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
04:47:21 PM
great post man. I'm not sure I don't think you are being a little easy on the Superhero genre, which is pretty terrible on the whole and needs to be criticized , but great post nontheless.
Stop dissin' Goyer...
by lynxpro
Dec 16th, 2007
04:47:27 PM
Save the fanboi h8 for the true party guilty of high crimes against cinema...that being Akiva Goldsman.
X3 and SM3 were horrendous
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
04:49:33 PM
Up there with Batman and Robin in their ridiculous portrayal of their respective characters. The other films are merely mediocre. Face it a brilliant superhero film has yet to be made, except for maybe The Incredibles, but that doesn't count.
I just don't get spider-man 2.
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
04:50:39 PM
It's a whole movie about Tobey Maguire staring blankly at the wall of his little apartment, looking like he's either about to cry or that he really needs to take a shit but is out of TP, as he mutters the name Mary Jane over and over again. The same Mary Jane who is a total selfish golddigger with desperate needs for attention, causing her to be a drama queen. Peter, Dude, I know that you got your first orgasm because you saw Mary Jane take her training bra off through your bedroom window and you starting yanking your crank, but it's time to move on to girls who aren't totally lame. aside from a little extra chunk, Gwen would definitely have been a trade up. Seemed she had a life that didn't totally revolve around herself.
I'll be serious for a moment
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:50:48 PM
I thought that "Batman Dead End" was a great little take on Batman. No one here has even mentioned this one. What gives?
Batman Dead End
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:52:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Hjp0I_ okX0w Go watch. Very cool for what it is.
Black Batman?
by rourke
Dec 16th, 2007
04:52:39 PM
wouldn't work sorry - would be like having a white Black Panther - that trailer kicked my nuts into the stratosphere
that's because batman dead end is perfection like "God"
by noiretblanc
Dec 16th, 2007
04:53:11 PM
we'll never understand it, so we choose to act like it doesn't exist
That was GREAT! WB better show any more footage
by Space Disc Jockey
Dec 16th, 2007
04:55:02 PM
Too bad the video cropped the bottom, but damn that was fucking great! Reminds you of Heat, but I love what Nolan has done here. This is the evil Joker we have been waiting for. As for the complaints about it taking place in the day...um, I think that was a great move. Instead of having it take place at night, I think it's more interesting to have a "dark" scene, take place during the day. Yes, we have seen movies that have bank robberies take place, during the day, but this was a better approach, than having the Joker rob the bank at night. I also noticed that the Joker didn't leave a card, but maybe he did and we just didn't see it. It would've been nice if he threw, or placed the card near or on William, before leaving.
Noiretblanc
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
04:56:22 PM
This is why I AM Lord Nerd. I AM..here to educate. I'll be writing a bible as soon as I get a publishing deal.
That was GREAT! WB better NOT show any more footage
by Space Disc Jockey
Dec 16th, 2007
04:57:16 PM
Too bad the video cropped the bottom, but damn that was fucking great! Reminds you of Heat, but I love what Nolan has done here. This is the evil Joker we have been waiting for. As for the complaints about it taking place in the day...um, I think that was a great move. Instead of having it take place at night, I think it's more interesting to have a "dark" scene, take place during the day. Yes, we have seen movies that have bank robberies take place, during the day, but this was a better approach, than having the Joker rob the bank at night. I also noticed that the Joker didn't leave a card, but maybe he did and we just didn't see it. It would've been nice if he threw, or placed the card near or on William, before leaving.
sorry for the double post
by Space Disc Jockey
Dec 16th, 2007
04:58:06 PM
You mean that one where Aliens and Predators show up?
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
04:58:12 PM
At it's very best, Dead end is like a decent fan fic. Better than you expected, but definitely not the real deal. Then the Aliens and Predators show up. And not just Aliens and Predators, (Excellent movies with shitty sequels,) but Alien VS. Predator. (Which is a separate franchise because it just sucks so much. If AvP were really part of the Alien Canon, it wouldn't matter how masterful the first two alien films are, you'd have to classify the Alien films as a franchise that by and large sucks.
Is this still up?
by Barry Egan
Dec 16th, 2007
05:01:25 PM
I am shocked Warners hasn't forced it down.
Hulk IS stronger, that's why Doomsday is boner Hulk
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
05:01:31 PM
I mean bony. Bones popp'n all over that hack character.
I want to see A Dark Knight Returns JapAnimated Feature
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
05:03:04 PM
Everything else would then be mute.
IndustyKiller!
by YackBacker
Dec 16th, 2007
05:04:36 PM
I agree that there is a lot to Ra's that wasn't discussed in the movie. To that point, I do say "Shame on Goyer." Scarecrow, while an interesting character in the comics, needed to be a facilitating character in BEGINS-- and I think his use was sensible. Crane was on the take, working for Ra's while manipulating Falcone. And he is left as a loose thread, so I do not doubt that they will bring Scarecrow back in an upcoming movie. And any film that seeks to re-start a franchise is faced with a lot of challenges, and invariably the writers and directors of those movies bite off more than they can chew. But the tone and style of BEGINS sets things up in a good way, I think. You have Bruce's life established. You've got the state of crime in Gotham well-explained (Batman effectively escalated things, causing the emergence of more "theatrical" criminals, which I fucking loved). And the supporting cast is worthwhile- Gary Oldman's Gordon, Caine's Alfred and Freeman's Fox are comparable to James Bond's stable of co-horts and co-workers (Felix Leiter, Q and M). And to your point about Bruce Wayne needing to be shown as more of a genius-- I think there are shades of that without it being awkward or overdone. Bruce Wayne's wrestling back control of Wayne Enterprises was a nifty play. And even Bruce's uncouth behavior at both the dinner with the Playmates and the birthday bonanza where he faked being drunk to save everyone's lives was a nice touch of his crafty mind. Genius? Not really. But I don't think any movie (even the animated versions) have gone to that length.
It just didn't work for me.
by Thylacine
Dec 16th, 2007
05:06:52 PM
I guess I like my Batman more romantic, and a bit more thoughtful than what's been coming out since Burton left. The characters just weren't as interesting to me in Begins. The sterling moment in the Batman films, for me, is when Selina asks Bruce if they have to start fighting, when they realize who each other are. People who fight in masks, going to a costume party out of costume. The way they interact, and the situation that conversation takes place in, make the characters real- rather than just explainging where they buy their gadgets from. Burton was able to invest in his characters a sense of place, where Begins just takes a real world place, sticks some fake buildings in, and then proceeds to tell you where Batman got all his stuff from. If Burton's movie's suffer from anything- it's that they're dated firmly in the 90's, often relying on one liners (most of them very good) and stunt casting (most of them very good) that show their age.
Dial Up
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
05:07:25 PM
Some of you must be on dial up cause' your response's and comments are coming in waaaay to late. It's just not funny or even relevent by the time that modem finishes all of it's sounds and your Netzero comes online.
Beyonce' to be cast as Batgirl.
by kirttrik
Dec 16th, 2007
05:09:00 PM
This will be post Nolan.
such a fun experience
by ballsxcrew
Dec 16th, 2007
05:09:02 PM
at the bridge midnight showing during the "announcement" more people cheered when the clip was mentioned than what feature they were about to see. i had to laugh when the guy said "the dark nights" clip though.
Perfect.
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
05:14:13 PM
I always wanted the true crime/detective HEAT-ish Batman spiced up with uber-villains, that's just me. Yes, that rocked so hard it blew my hair to the back of this auditorium.
Peter Dinklage as the Penguin
by SideshowScott
Dec 16th, 2007
05:14:15 PM
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Looks great!
by Fing Fang Foom
Dec 16th, 2007
05:14:19 PM
Woo hoo!
Taking shots at dile-up users...
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
05:23:46 PM
is just cheap. I may personally be part of the broadband era, but bashing those who aren't is lame. It's jut you being an elitist bastard. Believe it or not, there are people out there who have less disposable income than we do.
Greenstyle -92 1/2
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
05:27:00 PM
How do you know my broke ass aint sittin' in a library on the net with a 30 minute time limit? ahaha
IndustryKiller! is totally right, though.
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
05:30:53 PM
About the batmobile in Begins. I was thinking those same points as I was watching the movie. Also, secret society of Ninjas engineering the fall of Rome, etc. went way too far. But you know what? Despite all that I still loved Begins. There were scenes that totally resonated with me. For me it was truly great from casting right down to its ubiquitous Fear theme. I knew it was the sign of a great movie when not even the row of teenagers in front of me paging and texting the shit out of their cell phones and making snide comments on the movie did absolutely NOTHING to ruin it for me. That's the ultimate in invincible theater experience right there. It was like the movie itself was batman, blocking and returning everything thrown at it. Truly one of the most memorable theater experiences I've had.
Well, I guess you could be one of those self-depricating
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
05:31:12 PM
post-self awareness weirdos. But you seem to be keeping up with the conversation. and earlier you made the point that someone on dial up would NOT be able to keep up with the conversation.

Which means you either really are on broadband or you yourself nullified your own point.
"I may personaly be part of the broadband era"
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
05:32:54 PM
Thank you ROBIN HOOD. I like how you went ahead and distinguished yourself as a broadband user so as not to confuse you with the poor scum that you so verbaly guard.
3 library cards
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
05:35:41 PM
That gives me an hour and a half here. ahahah
FINALLY! A Batman movie that feels real!
by Violator90
Dec 16th, 2007
05:37:57 PM
Now this is chocolate cover pussy juice indeeded! The Joker is exactally what the comics have made him: psychotic and a criminal master mind! This is how Batsy is suppose to be! A Fucking Decective! I love this Michael Mann-style scene, I hope TDK comes out looking more like this scene because if it does: we fans are witnessing the evolution of our beloved superheroes into more gritty and true version of their comic book origins. CAN'T FUCKING WAIT NOW!
Library card access. Fuck yeah.
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
05:39:52 PM
That's gangsta. That's how I rolled for over a year.
Heat this is NOT
by ZoeFan
Dec 16th, 2007
05:41:30 PM
Anyone who compared this scene with the Heat bank robbery scene apparently don't use their eyes to see. The only thing that these scenes have in common is that they are bank robberies. Michael Mann tends to shoot things more straight up. Whereas Nolan is shooting this sequence with a lot of angles and movement. These scenes look NOTHING alike. What are you people talking about?
That's it!!!
by greenstyle92
Dec 16th, 2007
05:41:51 PM
Try to find a way in which I'm being back-handedly condescending and secretly insulting. That's MUCH worse than your out-and-out asshole-ism!

I also love how you changed your tune when I demonstrably caught you in a lie.
Ooops I just depricated myself.
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
05:42:29 PM
Well it was just a little shart. No big deal. I'll wipe when I get up.
The librarian...
by Lord Nerd
Dec 16th, 2007
05:50:34 PM
...just asked me to be quiet. Seems as though you're not supposed to laugh out loud and shart yourself in a public library.
re: Heat
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
05:53:23 PM
I for one wasn't talking about the actual directorial style shot for shot, but "essence" if you will. Just the down-and-dirty realistic crime the Joker is employing, the demeanor of the robbers being more like actual criminals instead of cartoon henchmen, etc. Heat sprang to mind. Sorry. (O' you crazy film students!)
ZoeFan, there's more to style than camerawork
by YackBacker
Dec 16th, 2007
05:54:28 PM
No, it's not a shot-for-shot remake of the HEAT bank heist. And Mann shoots overheads and helicopter shots too. MIAMI VICE anyone?
The bad parts of begins were Goyers fault
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
Dec 16th, 2007
05:56:17 PM
Obviously.
GHEEEY
by Kai_Mah'gra
Dec 16th, 2007
05:58:52 PM
....that is all.
Surprised, the youtube trailer still online...
by wadi77
Dec 16th, 2007
06:25:17 PM
Guess the title helps...

Now where's the official online trailer?

No trailer at the atasteforthetheatrical.com yet.

Re:Reynard Muldrake
by kaspianwithak
Dec 16th, 2007
06:43:53 PM
most likely at 8:28 pm
WHO'S THE IDIOT LAUGHING AND TALKING????
by J-Dizzle
Dec 16th, 2007
06:54:50 PM
And the camera angle sucked!
kaspian
by Reynard Muldrake
Dec 16th, 2007
07:04:00 PM
thanks! i see that now (that it will be then, not the actual trailer). my guess is the way things are going, you won't be able to buy a ticket to the movie without jumping threw a shload of website and clues come july. ha.
Problem With Villians In BB
by phoenixmagi
Dec 16th, 2007
07:08:37 PM
was the city was in danger from someone towards the end but the citizens didn't know by who! in most hero movies the villians are known to the public. knowing some sick pyscho is out there is real fear they didn't get right in bb. looks like they corrected that with dk for they really make mr j known to the public as someone to be scared of. in bb the villains were in the shadows and it made it boring. like batman was fighting a personal fight and at the end they threw the city in danger. the villains were under used and respected in bb
Problem With Villians In BB
by phoenixmagi
Dec 16th, 2007
07:15:26 PM
was the city was in danger from someone towards the end but the citizens didn't know by who! in most hero movies the villians are known to the public. knowing some sick pyscho is out there is real fear they didn't get right in bb. looks like they corrected that with dk for they really make mr j known to the public as someone to be scared of. in bb the villains were in the shadows and it made it boring. like batman was fighting a personal fight and at the end they threw the city in danger. the villains were under used and respected in bb
WTF!!!!
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:25:10 PM
That wasn't the joker, that was Freddy Krueger and Jason all rolled into one.
A SAD DAY....
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:28:12 PM
So this is the improvement mighty hollywood has made to the batman series. It's disgusting! What parent in their right mind would allow their kids to go see this flick?
Trailer's up guys
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
07:30:47 PM
Just fyi
And we wonder....
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:32:31 PM
What's happening to our children? I'm not trying to be some pansy here, I love my shoot 'em up movies also but Batman is suppose to be kid friendly. It's fine for twenty somethings and up but come on!
fantasy vs. realism
by non-existent-man
Dec 16th, 2007
07:34:45 PM
are you kidding me? Do we really want to go back to the seven-thousand different toys selling suits and shitty ass non-plausible gadgets from batman forever and batman and robin. As far as BB goes, it was the closest summarization to Miller's Year One on the screen. But I agree with the other posters comments on not involving the elements of Batman's escape artistry talents by Zatana's father or the fact he has a background in forensic and chemical sciences. Wayne/Batman is a great deductive thinker who picks up on the subtleties that others miss at a crime scene, murder investigation or etc. AND Cmon its fucking comic book movie, disbelief is needed but fuck me sideways I dont want another fucking BAT movie where he carries around a BAT AMERICAN express card or see some neo gothic SEAL embraced gotham city. I would have loved this movie to be a killing joke adaptation but i don't think it would work after BB as well as mainstream audiences could stomach it and there's obviously the Moore factor. All in all this movie will be a fantastic if not decent, please for the love of fuck sake stop the hating because if I ever see another fucking retarded singing MR. freeze or a emo version of SUPERFAG i'm gonna gouge my eyes out.
"What parentwould allow their kids to go see this flick?"
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
07:36:15 PM
Yeah, keep sending your kids to mindless saccarine bullshit so they can grow up and listen to bubble gum pop, have shitty taste in everything, and be boring carbon copies of everyone else. That'll make the world a better place!
So....
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:37:43 PM
what do you tell the sixteen and below who want to see this movie then?
LOL...
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:40:29 PM
So sending them to a violent movie about a comic hero is your remedy? Think about that (God forbid) when some youngster walks into a school and starts shooting up the place.
This isn't in the movie, right?
by j_ky2002
Dec 16th, 2007
07:42:25 PM
Isn't this supposed to be a stand-alone type intro, as Nolan was already pushing over two hours for TDK? So you can watch it without spoiling anything.
Please tell me you're joking MRX67
by IndustryKiller!
Dec 16th, 2007
07:42:38 PM
First we are ridiculously blaming school shootings on videogames, now Batman??? You can't possibly be that stupid.
Grow up MRX67.
by Mostholy
Dec 16th, 2007
07:44:54 PM
Or, better yet, go read a Bob Kane comic book. There's been murder and mayhem from the start.
phoenixmagi
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
07:45:59 PM
Batman WAS fighting a personal fight with the villains in Begins. To me it was the whole point. He was first fighting a struggle with himself, then with shadowy villains overcoming their warped sense of justice and establishing purpose as a vigilante. Now the real challenges come--Joker, etc.
I bet....
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:46:01 PM
You won't take your kids to see this movie if you have any? And if you do then that explains all.
Why so serious? OFFICIAL TRAILER IS ONLINE
by daveyf
Dec 16th, 2007
07:47:26 PM
www.atastefortheheatrical.com
I don't know.
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Dec 16th, 2007
07:48:19 PM
I kind of liked the fact that Bruce was went at it with villains who were unknown to the general public. Because it was HIS fight. His movie.
I'm not trying....
by MRX67
Dec 16th, 2007
07:50:33 PM
to be politically correct here. I grew up on Marvel comics and the such. Batman was a hero then in a transitional time. So much of our kids youth is being taken away from them piece by piece to the point where most don't know how to be kids anymore. All I'm saying is that this movie is going to take away another piece of their youth.
sorry for multiple posts
by phoenixmagi
Dec 16th, 2007
07:53:22 PM
it always happens for some reas